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Subject: Re: BearVisions - possible slander suit being prepared by site owner and designer of site, cyber-terrorism and it's consequences

Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:04:53 -0700

From: LongRider <LongRider@BearVisions.com>

Organization: Bear Visions

To: mary <slowhand@mymail.emcyber.com>

References: 1

Slander? Terrorism? According to Webster's "slander [2] (noun) [Middle

English sclaundre, slaundre, from Old French esclandre, from Late

Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense -- more at SCANDAL]

First appeared 14th Century, 1 : the utterance of false charges

or, 2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person --

compare LIBEL"

ter*ror*ism (noun), First appeared 1795: the systematic use of

violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate

a population or government into granting their demands

<insurrection and revolutionary ~>

I THINK NOT!

Kat Lonergan AKA NEESHANHA@aol.com is not what she claims she

IS NOT a traditional Medicine Person of either the Cherokee and

Ojibwe, and neither have shamans.

I too believe in freedom of speech on the net and will continue

to speak up loudly when I see desecration of native spirituality

occur. Please allow me to take a step back perhaps you genuinely

do not know that the activities of Kat Lonergan AKA

NEESHANHA@aol.com is absolutely abhorrent to traditional native

people. This is a matter I take very personally. Freedom of

Religion for Native Americans has come at no small price. It is a

struggle I have seen first hand, for instance a genuine Medicine

Man I know was shot seven times and his brother killed at a BIA

roadblock simply because he was a Medicine Man. They did not suffer

these these things so that people like Kat Lonergan AKA

NEESHANHA@aol.com could make a profit. Traditional Native

Medicine People would NEVER do what Kat Lonergan AKA

NEESHANHA@aol.com is doing

Please research the below URLs and see what native people feel

about activities of people like Kat Lonergan AKA

NEESHANHA@aol.com who profiteer off of their spirituality.

http://www.dickshovel.com/respect.html

and

http://puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html

Please take a look at

http://Bearvisions.com/Shame/Fraud.html

See how this woman operates for yourself

I ask you to PLEASE do your research, confirm these facts with

the tribal elders or leaders of most any Native Nation. PLEASE

confirm with them that:

Traditional Native Spirituality, Ritual, Ceremony and teachings

is NOT for sale not ever, not for any price

Traditional Native Spirituality, Ritual, Ceremony and teachings

are not taught on the internet or via books or E-mail not ever

Traditional Native Spirituality, Ritual, Ceremony and teachings

does not involve tarot cards readings (this is simple, think

about it what nation printed tarot cards)

Some contacts for Cherokee and Ojibwe tribal councils are below

ask them yourself, perhaps than you will see that Kat Lonergan

AKA NEESHANHA@aol.com is not what she claims. Think of that,

what happens when someone believing this fraud takes thier sick

child to her for help? What do you think they will get for thier

money from a fake wanna be medicine person? See I have seen that

side to, people dying from following some fake shamans

bastardized rituals. Is that a price you are willing to accept

for doing business. Please consider, what if you are wrong?

Please contact the below see for yourself that Kat Lonergan AKA

NEESHANHA@aol.com is not what she claims. That Traditional

Native Medicine People DO NOT sell Spirituality, Ritual,

Ceremony, healing or teachings NOT EVER on the net or anywhere else!

Tribal contacts

Oklahoma Cherokee Nation

csmith@cherokee.org

Chad Smith Principal Chief

918-456-0671 ext. 2882

hshade@cherokee.org

Hasting Shade Deputy Principal Chief

918-456-0671 ext 2733

___________________________

Eastern Cherokee Nation

Eastern Band of the Cherokee

Joyce Dugan, Principal Chief

P.O.Box 455

Cherokee, NC 28719

(704) 497-2771

FAX: (704) 497-2952

___________________________

United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians in Oklahoma

P.O. Box 746, Tahlequah, OK 74465-0746

Telephone: (918) 456-5491

FAX: (918) 456-9601

___________________________

Great Lakes Intertribal Council is a consortium of federally

recognized

Indian tribes in Wisconsin and Upper Michigan

glitc@newnorth.net

___________________________

Red Cliff Band of Lake Superior Chippewa

P.O. Box 529

Bayfield  WI  54814

Tel.    715/779-3700

Fax    715/779-3704

___________________________

Red Lake Band of Chippewa Indians of Minnesota

P.O. Box 550

Red Lake, MN 56671

218-679-3341 FAX 679-3378

___________________________

Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa

P.O. Box 39

Odanah  WI  54861

Tel.  715/682-7111

Fax   715/682-7118

___________________________

Mary I am not angry at you or anyone, what I say I say is not

from anger it is from love of the people and what I know to be

sacred. Please consider would you want someone to create a

website who desecrates your beliefs church people and family? Or

a website that misleads sick and suffering people looking for

help? I too create websites and art so I know the work you put

into that site. I sincerly regret that you have been misled and

decieved by this individual. Thank you very much for your time

thought and consideration. As far as Kat Lonergan AKA

NEESHANHA@aol.com threats are concerned please advise her to

please sue me I and members of AIM and many tribal elders and

warriors would love to meet her and expose her for the fraud that

she is.

mary wrote:

>

> I don't know who this is, if you're the person sending slanderous comments

> through the mail to everyone associated with the owner of this site

> http://www.shamanneeshanha.com, or whether you maintain this site - it don't

> matter, my friend. I will try to be as respectful and courteous as I can,

> but I'm angry and this is why:

>

> A criminal suit may be filed shortly by my client, Kat Lonergan, whose site

> I designed. she is a native american spiritualist (shaman). Black Bear

> Visions is sending slanderous emails to my colleagues in the designers

> guilds I'm a member of, and the artists who have contributed artwork to

> kat's site in an effort to have them remove their works from the site.

> Removal of their work would mean redesigning the site. The following is only

> an excerpt of a letter sent to my artist friend and forwarded to me. Kat is

> preparing a slander suit, and I will be following right behind her if just

> one more person associated with out site informs us of any contact from bear

> visions. If you are the person doing this, look at this as a preview of

> what's to come if you don't knock it off.

>

> I take my web design talents and business very seriously, I conduct my

> business with integrity and I am respected in my field. I will not stand

> for any actions by anyone that might threaten my reputation. This is

> cyberterrorism. I will not stand for religious or politically motivated

> agendas to interfere with my clients or my reputation as a top-notch

> designer. Whether I believe in a client's subject or the way they do

> business is no one's business. I design because I'm an artist. I believe in

> freedom of speech on the web, a website is someone's personal property and

> he/she may use it as she wishes to promote his/her beliefs, unless it's

> hateful, prejudiced, violent or porn-oriented. Makes no difference to me. No

> one tells me who to design for and how to do it. I happen to enjoy the

> beauty and spirituality conveyed by kat and her site - it's spectacular, if

> I say so myself, and she has the support of many native americans in her

> endeavors - and it's not offensive to the native americans in any way that

> we can see.

>

> If this site has to be redesigned, bear visions will be made responsible for

> monetary compensation to me for redesign, to me for loss of income because I

> have to set my other clients aside to redo this site, there will be monetary

> damages to kat for mental anguish, slander and loss of income. we have

> already filed a complaint with aol about someone using their email system to

> slander my client.

>

> If you are not this person, please forward this to that person. If you are

> not the host of this site, please send us the link to the web host, as

> he/she will be mentioned in any suit being filed.

>

> Sorry to be so bombastic this morning, but freedom of speech on the web is

> one of my things and I will roll over anyone who takes personal shots at me

> or my clients for their rights to express themselves in a respectful and

> tasteful manner. At the next email I receive from a client, associate or

> anyone associated with this site, you will hear from us again.

>

> mary hyland